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Hi hi everybody. A Random American told me about this forum! He said that there aren't many members but my threads probably won't be deleted. Figured what the heck!

Random American and I are both members of another forum where my threads were regularly locked for what I considered to be stupid reasons. The mods and I clearly disagreed about the usefulness of my threads.

Here are the three main ways that a group can make determinations about usefulness...

  1. Dictatorship
  2. Democracy
  3. Market

I'm pretty sure that this forum is a dictatorship. The assumption isn't that the dictator will always make the best decisions about the usefulness of things. The assumption is that it's no big deal if the dictator gets drunk and steers this website into an iceberg.

What's funny is that nobody assumes that democracy would do a better job of steering this website. Yet we use democracy to decide who steers an entire country?

My best guess is that the market is the best way to decide the usefulness of things. Let's say that some members of this forum hate my threads and want me banned. They could simply donate money to this forum. If my side didn't donate more money, then I would get banned.

It should be readily apparent that each of these three very different systems can't be equally effective at determining the usefulness of things.

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Hi and welcome.

Moderation tends to be a bit more relaxed here, usually no need to worry about getting a topic locked :)

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I am Random American. I probably should have told you that I was under a different username here, but I didn't expect that you'd join. Hi and welcome. :D

I have removed your newly registered status. You should be able to post freely now.

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Xerographica wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm

I'm pretty sure that this forum is a dictatorship. The assumption isn't that the dictator will always make the best decisions about the usefulness of things.

Well, I guess this forum is more like a benevolent oligarchy as there is more than one staff member and while Broadcastre owns this site, there is usually a consensus that occurs rather than strict top-down leadership. This is not nationstates.net where there is this shady overlord with a team of enforcers. It's pretty lax here. The only problem you'll find is a lack of members.

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Hi there!

Moderation is always a very tricky dance. People are generally fine as long as they're in small groups; at that point, whatever you're using is a form of consensus.

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Broadcastre wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:37 pm

Hi and welcome.

Moderation tends to be a bit more relaxed here, usually no need to worry about getting a topic locked :)

Thanks for the welcome! Glad to hear that moderation is more relaxed! But will it stay relaxed?

I have a Facebook group dedicated to plants with just over 1000 members. Somebody recently shared a website selling fancy plants for exorbitant prices. One of my plant friends made what I perceived to be a stupid comment... about how we should be careful because sometimes such sites are fronts for pornography and child slavery. Did he have any evidence to support such a belief? I didn't ask him, and I didn't delete his comment. One member reported his comment, and I ignored their report. Then another member also reported the comment, and I decided to remove the comment.

Two complaints and I caved. And I hate censorship more than anybody I know.

I also hate squirrels more than anybody I know, given that they take a single bite of a persimmon from my tree and then toss the rest of the fruit. Somebody in my group posted a complaint about squirrels. Another member commented on the post and shared a video of a squirrel getting slingshoted. An animal lover reported the comment, and I disregarded their report. Well yeah, I hate squirrels. So in this case it would have taken quite a few reports before I felt any inclination to remove the comment/video.

I really don't want such decisions to be in my hands. But it's not like I want such decisions to be in somebody else's hands, otherwise I'd just delegate the decision. But it's not like I trust democracy to make the decisions. The most popular content on Youtube is all the evidence I need that democracy is dumb. Therefore, the market.

So why didn't I use the market to decide the fate of the reported content? I guess because it was a bit awkward to use a relatively involved process to make relatively small decisions.

We did use the market though a while back to make a relatively big decision. A few members complained about our group being public. The ringleader created a poll. More people voted for private than public. But since I think that democracy is dumb, I decided to see what would happen if members were given the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. What happened was that public received more money than private.

Private was a more popular option than public, but public was a more valuable option than private.

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Dracula wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:14 pm

I am Random American. I probably should have told you that I was under a different username here, but I didn't expect that you'd join. Hi and welcome. :D

I have removed your newly registered status. You should be able to post freely now.

Thanks for telling me about this site! Dracula! I wasn't expecting to join either, heh. But here I am.

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Xerographica wrote: Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm

I'm pretty sure that this forum is a dictatorship. The assumption isn't that the dictator will always make the best decisions about the usefulness of things.

Well, I guess this forum is more like a benevolent oligarchy as there is more than one staff member and while Broadcastre owns this site, there is usually a consensus that occurs rather than strict top-down leadership. This is not nationstates.net where there is this shady overlord with a team of enforcers. It's pretty lax here. The only problem you'll find is a lack of members.

If more members joined then consensus becomes democracy. But in virtually all situations consensus is replaced with top-down leadership.

In my previous post I learned that the word "p0rn" is automatically replaced with "[disallowed word]". Is this just the default forum setting? Am I the 1st person to use the word "p0rn"? heh. Or was there a consensus that this word should be censored?

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@Xerographica

I didn't even know it was censored. I'll ask Broadcastre about it later.

Edit: Ok, I've allowed word censoring to be disabled. You can find it under display options in the Board preferences section of the UCP. I'll restore it if Broadcastre finds it problematic, as it still is his site and I do respect that. We're chill but we aren't a democracy.

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I removed the censoring. It was pretty unnecessary

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@Xerographica Out of curiosity, what forum are you from?

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